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Pisces and Virgo
This is quite a yummy combination actually. When these signs first meet it will be electrifying! Which is actually rather surprising as these two couldn’t be more opposite, Virgo has nit picking and meticulous way’s whereas the Pisces is somewhat dreamy and a bit flaky. Therefore I suppose the saying ‘opposites attract’ in this case is certainly true.
The thing is that they can help each other out quite a bit. The Pisces can teach his/her Virgo lover to be more laid back and less stressed and on the other hand the Virgo can try and put some well needed order in the Pisces life. The sexual desire between these two will be strong and this is what will bond them initially. Virgo will always leave their Pisces lover wanting more, and the Virgo will be highly attracted to the adventure that being with a Pisces brings.
Sadly though this may not be the most long lasting relationship the world has ever seen. Virgo’s are known to have quite a critical and sharp tongue on them, and always pick at faults in other’s. Although the Pisces will try and ignore it, after a while it will where down the sensitive Pisces and could even lead to a bit of depression on the fishes side. On the other hand the Virgo will be driven to distraction by the seemingly river of money the Pisces let’s flow out of the bank on items that their Virgo lover just cannot justify. And here ends the romance. The only desire that will be left will be the urge to hurt and attack one another at every turn, which doesn’t make for a healthy relationship.
It is a shame really, as it really could be a lovely union, but some things just aren’t meant to last forever. Enjoy it while you can and for what it is. But certainly don’t move in with one another that would be very detrimental indeed!
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Becky I love your website!! can you please give me more insight on Virgo Men??
Thank you very much Marie!
I am still currently writing up about all the signs and haven’t got around to Virgo yet, but as you have requested it I shall write about Virgo Men later on this afternoon. If you subscribe to my RSS feed then you will be notified when I have posted it. But I shall email you to let you know as well. I hope that is OK.
Thanks for your comment and your interest.
Love & Light
Becky
I love ur site.bit disturbed at my virgo pisces reading,but we r still going strong.keep it up!
i dont think you should generalize a whole sign and make it into one group..each sign has about 3 birth groups that differ a lot from each other. for example, im the 3rd group of pisces and we generally have more of a scorpio temperament and more of an edge than your typical cliche pisces. idk just thought id bring that up because that plays a big role when it comes to real compatibility..
Hi there Mitz,
Thanks you for your comment. This is just a basic look at peoples basic Sun sign, I do tend to think that you can over complicate astrology though, instead of concentrating on the hardcore straight down the line facts that people really want to know and can identify with. I hear what your saying though, and once I have finished the main part of the site I will be writing about other aspects.
Love & Light
Becky
well i read abt pisces and virgo ……. im pisces (male) virgo (female) can dey get along verywell ? i cldn’t able to understand a gurl she is virgo she is looking for honesty even i am but sometimes i crack jokes she cldn’t able to digest or sometimes she laffs i cldn’t able to read her mind ? she got some presonal prob as well like her mom n dad is divorced and she strongly believe in relationship cuz once she is hurt by her previous ex-bf but taking things in consideration i try to compromise with her nature or with her behaviour she cldn’t able to support me that much im very much tensed and if i want it i will do it sometimes i feel that i shld make this relationship to an end. she is 20 n im 25 is that sign of immautredness she has becuz of her age or of her past ? im trying hard to understand it …..will u please me out im very much sensitive…….i cldn’t able to forget this very soon ……..email me if feel so ….nihal.decent@gmail.com
Interesting comments re the compatibility of the two signs, however we moved in together after only a few weeks and it’s going well. You may wish to add what an amazing fuck that a Pisces is, very hot, sexy and shaggable!!!
Gary,
Hmmmmm. Not sure about that kind of compliment. But glad things are going well for you and your Pisces woman.
I’m a pisces woman. I’ve been in a long distant relationship with a virgo man. He’s everything I’ve always wanted in a man. Understanding, intellectual, loving, always thinking before speaking or acting out. When I in the other hand tend to just speak out about everything and anything. Cry about unnecessary things and all I do is tend to wanna runaway because he’s too good to be true. Pisces are so dramatic but, my virgo guy is always bringing me back to reality. He makes me smile with just one sound of his voice. I’ve never had that I guess. Him in the other hand has never had anyone make him laugh and shake his head and love it at the same time. The way I always do. That’s what he say he loves about me. We level each other out I guess. What I want to know is… he wants me to move to the same city as him. I want to go but, I’m scared I guess. What should I do?
Hi I’m a pisces woman I just wanted to comment on abusive relation ships. Emotional abuse should be talked out and if the spouse is still doing the same abuse you should get out. Emotionally abuse leads to physical abuse. I tried to help my ex husband on that. I thought it was a faze and I can eventually get my old husband back. I stuck around until one day he beat me and I ended up in the hospital. I left, no looking back, I can’t take chances on my loosing life like that plus I have a 5 years old daughter. I couldn’t do it and I don’t recommend it. Starting over is a struggle but you know what the fear will disappear and you will make it, you are alive to do so. Give your own life a fighting chance.
I have been in a relationship with a Pisces for a year and a half now and let me tell you it is not easy at all. It is true about the opposites and when it comes down to buttn heads it’s right on point. When we fell in love those signs wern’t out yet and we fell in love with “eachother” and were both blinded by our differences or maybe even engaged by them. After moving in with one another a lot has changed and he has become very possesive and demanding. I am very giving and would do almost anything for anyone but when you do so much for someone in the beginning of a relationship that exspect that throughout. He is very selfish as well.Thinking about himself and what he wants me to do and not do and where to go and not go etc. I try to talk to him and rationalize and I make him aware that he contradicts himself a lot telling me not to do something and then does it himself and being a hypocrit as well. I am at the end of my rope and don’t know what to do. I love him but I can’t stand the way things have ended up. At this point I would gladly take any advise that I can get.
Amanda
I have virtually no water planets (pisces empty), but tend to be just as chaotic as my pisces counterparts lol. My pisces friends are cool until their “ego” comes out and then everything you say is wrong and then they tell you how it should be done. It’s kinda annoying because this behavior sometimes extends into putdowns or them acting “superior”, but if you want to win pisces over just let them loaf in their own theories lol… Other than that we are about as equally chaotic lol. One astrologer told me I have a T-square (3 planets trine in mutuable signs and with pisces empty, makes this kind of attraction more emphasized, but Im not sure if that is true.
Pisces women are the best in bed and as long as they dont have addiction issues then give it a go. Some pisces I noticed have this “thing” about Passive resistance lol. For some reason I hear this more out of them than any other sign, “I’m not doing that or That’s doesn’t have anything to do with me” (Name) doesn’t do that. I hear one pisces say that a lot. I think it has to do with them not doing more than anybody else. dunno.
Do I have my issues of course I do. Im just a good observer and notice that some of you fish can be a bit wishy washy. Nonetheless, I been with one for over a year and find some of these behaviors consistent with other pisces friends and a bit funny.
yes im a virgo.
Well I was alittle upset with the Virgo Pisces reading. I am a Virgo and my husband a Pisces and yes we do tend to be complete opposites but I believe that makes are relationsip that much stronger. Learning to accept the diffrences in each other. TOgether four and a half years and have a beautiful Aries son together. Love the site though
I AM A PISCES FEMALE AND I AM WITH A VIRGO AND LET MEN TELL YOU IT HAS BEEN 3YRS OF HELL IT IS SO TRUE WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE VIRGOS AND PISCES TOGETHER LOL BUT I LOVE HIM WE CAN’T STAY APART LIKE A MAGNET
You know, I don’t really take astrology very seriously normally. However, I (a virgo) just got out of a relationship with a pisces man and I have to say what you said here described out relationship perfectly. It’s almost scary at how completely accurate it is. Our relationship was JUST like that. I wish I had read this first, I would have held back my critical tongue and maybe we would have been able to work it out. I really liked him
I’m a pisces woman and have been dating a virgo man for about 4 months. I have to agree the sexual chemistry is like NOTHING I’ve ever experienced before. From the first moment we met, we haven’t been able to take our hands off each other. I don’t know if it’s meant to be, but I intend to ride this one out (no pun intended) as long as possible!
one of my closest friends is a virgo, and sometimes we have a strong mental connection,and he has a really good sense of humour but omg, i could never date him. i can’t take a virgo’s criticism, especially since pisces are very sensitive people. if im around my friend too long, i start to feel really down.and i would say that sexually, a virgo and pisces wouldn’t work that well, since in my experience virgos are quite prudish, whereas pisces are open to loads of new things, so the picses would end up getting frustrated and the virgo might become a bit grossed out. Although, once again, i have to say that i’m half aquarius too, so the idea of sex with a virgo just doesn’t work for me at all. i will say that virgos make very loyal friends, and that they are very faithful people, which is one of the things i like best about my friend. they are also really good conversationalists and very interestiing. whilst oppositesdo attract, as you say this won’t be a lasting romantic relationship. it could however be a very lasting friendship.
I think pisces and virgo combination is really bad for a love relationship. It can be a really great friendship though - at least if you only interact occasionally. I’ve known and have been involved in love (and friendship) relationships with virgo (I’m pisces man) and although the physical attraction was there, that’s about all there was.
Virgos are extremely critical and nit-picking, which I’m not saying is a bad thing, but it sure can wear on a pisces. Let me say that again - it really, really, can wear on a pisces! Pisces are typically rather loose with money, since money doesn’t have the kind of meaning that it has with some signs, and that can drive virgo absolutely batty. Also all the virgos I’ve known seem to want to know everything about everyone they are involved with, or at least they do if they think there might be something more there than is obvious. Pisces, although apparently very open, are actually quite secretive and don’t like to be placed under a microscope.
okay so i love the feedback more then i love the compatibility rating. i am a pisces woman down to the core and never dated a virgo before. that being said im also disppointed and apprehensive about my virgo man!!
-we met when i was out of town and i immediately felt a strong attraction to him! it had been a while for me, okay, so i my inital intention was just to let him get me off for a night.well that didn’t really happen and instead we connected in a very diff. way! i love his kisses and he makes me feel very adorned! as i said im a pisces to the core and im very intuituve i have dejavu regularly, dream of something and it will later happen exactly, like a seen from a movie ( my dream) and i had dejavu twice a day while i was out of town which was a little more than usually and when we woke up he said something and got up from the bed and i immedately remembered that “I DREAMT OF THIS MAN BEFORE!” He is truly the man of my dreams! and in my dream i felth this strong connection with him and i guess thats why i feel it more so now and have no idea what im doing, or meant to do with him!
-OUR SEX IS AMAZING AND NEVER HAVE I WANTED SOMONE THE WAY I DO HIM! but weve only been together for a short while and im afraid of the things you say to happen will. hes already talking about a long future together and my dreamy stupidly romantic ass is eating it up.. but trying not to swallow!!!
he wants us to give this long distance a try for just a short while and then move in.. but… im not sure!?
thanks!
ana
wow, Ana! I’m so glad I’m not the only one who dreams something and it happens exactly the way I saw it in my dreams! It kinda freaks me out!
I know this bit doesn’t go with the whole love and romance topic of this site but I’m Pisces and my sister is virgo and personality wise, this site has explained us exactly. We are very close and have always been there for each other but I’m too flaky for her and I find her practical views of me hurtful. Even though we frustrate each other to no end, we are still best friends. Maybe that can happen with a virgo guy too…or maybe i’m just being wishful cuz I like a virgo guy!
I’m a pisces female in a relationship with a virgo female,and after reading everyones comments i feel as if everyone on here is secretly looking through our bedroom window. Me and my girlfriend where like Romeo and Juliet or should I say Juliet and Juliet, it was beautiful I’ve never been faithful to any of the women I have ever dated,I’m also 4 years older then her. The thing is in the beginning I was just getting out of an expired relationship. But when we met she was everything I have ever been looking for and even more. WE fell in love and now its almost 2 years we just moved in our first house TOGETHER… She cooks I clean we pay bills, we go dine. I’m in love with her so deep that I would give my life for her.
The bad: we fight, we argue, we battle, every other day we’re into….
Pisces: (me) ATTITUDE,I’ve never been able to get rid of anger, nor attitude problems built up inside of me.
Virgo: (her) Emotion Less, She’s never been able to let her guard down and show concern and love.
However, we’re in love. I DO NOT Ever want to lose her out of my life, and i would do anything to keep her happy even if its losing my attitude and anger issues..
SOMEBODY HELP…………
I love her with every bit of my heart my body and soul but I DO NOT KNOW what to do in this situation.
I’m dying in the inside and my attitude is running my baby away.
Pisces and Virgo? Can we make it work?
P.V=2yrs
I’M A PISCIS WOMAN MY HUSBAND IS A VIRGO AND I THINK IT’S TRUE WHAT I READ WE ARE ALWAYS FIGHTING BUT AT THE END WE ALWAYS TEND TO APOLOGIZE TO EACH OTHER AND START LOVING ALL OVER AGAIN IT’S BEEN LIKE THIS FOR 10 YEARS !! WOW I REALLY DON’T WANT IT TO END =(
Hi everyone,
Reading about the Pisces and Virgo compatability thing. Well I think if you have a strong intuitive feeling about the Virgo Man, then go for it.
I met a Virgo man on the internet, met up and it was an instant connection for the both of us, we got on great and in bed, but me being the pisces sabotaged it and we went our seperate ways. I ended up in a relationship with a Capricorn, which didn’t work out, I got bored and escaped into my ds games and tv after living together for 6 months, it wasn’t stimulating at all.
As the months went by I kept thinking of the virgo and had a strong urge to write an email to him. When I finally seperated with the capricorn, I emailed the Virgo man(a year down the line), who responded with just as much enthusiasm.
We have been chatting on the phone averaging about 1 1/2 hours each time, like we will always have something to discuss and explore. He is witty, very funny, intelligent, sexy, loving, tactile, communicative, non competative, adventurous, thoughtful, honest, a family man devoted to his boys and much more.
Please take these compatibility charts as a guide but not as gospel. Use them to our advantage, to be aware of the couple’s differences and work on the relationship.
There I guess will be some that will not match, but I think there are many factors and layers involved in a compatibility between two signs such as this.
I’m certainly going to go for it, but after a few mismatches I have become synical and a bit warey. One step at a time I say to myself which is hard for me being a pisces. I want to leap in the deep end and fall for him hook, line and sinker. It sucks to be a dreamer sometimes….. no wonder we love a good fantasy or love story. Good luck with the adventure…
Ok, Well I’m a Pisces chick dating a virgo guy.. And we’re madly in love with each other. We always say we’re each-others, “other half”. cause well.. We are. I feel like this guy is my soul mate for real. It really does feel like we are truly magnetize to each other. We normally get alone really well. And we laugh about just anything and everything. We act like best friends, which i love! We always have our hands on each other! He’s really charming. And kind too me. And AlWAYS makes sure I’m not hungry or cold! He’s extremly smart! I love talking too him about everything. DONT think virgos aren’t sensitive too, cause they are. They’re just not as up front about it as pisces are. I’ve learned they don’t like showing weakness.. But i can feel what he feels so ha =] Trust has a lot too do with that too. And even if we do get in a fight it don’t last long at all till we’re telling each other we’re sorry. Like it says we’re supposed to fight.. But what normal couple doesn’t have fights, ya know?? It’s part of human nature. And besides its seems to make us stronger anyway. Because its like a eye opener for us. It’s like we remember how life is with out each other in it. And after we get into a fight and stay away from each other for a few days.. We realize how important we are to each other. And he knows i get my feelings hurt easy and isn’t the least bit nit picky with me. And if he starts too be i just give him that look and he laughs and smiles and says sorry lol. BUT we -talk- to each other, and let each other know if something we say stuff that bothers each other. And yes omg the sex IS LIKE NO OTHER!! lol my virgo guy makes sure I’m happy. i love that about him. So yea i personally think Pisces and Virgo are great together. But i have came across some virgos that i can’t stand, as well as some pisces that i’m not the biggest fan of either. just DON’T forget.. too each is own. [E.v.e.r.y.o.n.e] is different.
I am a Pisces and I can relate because I was in a relationship with a Virgo but, I was the one who had the sharp tongue and if I didn’t like what he did I would speak on it. I’m not saying I was a complete bitch but he would do certain things that would just not be cool. I tried to be cool at times but I couldn’t do it no more and it’s funny because that was about three years ago and I still love him. After we broke up we still acted like we were together so I’m guessing a Virgo man is someone a Pisces is going to connect with???
Also a comment ahead said that they were a Pisces with a Scorpio temperament….what does that mean and what is my birth group???
I was born March 12th 1990
I am a Pisces woman and my so called “man” is a Virgo. We met almost a year ago through the internet and talked for about a month before we actually met each other in person. When I first saw him I jumped right on top of him and gave him a kiss!
Really I didn’t even know the guy, but it felt like I had known him more then what I actually had. I fell for him hard. And at the time he was going through difficult things in life.
I told him I loved him, and I don’t know if he got scared or if he just wasn’t that into me at the time because we really didn’t know each other.
We went our separate ways after a few months. Of course this was a long distance relationship so it was rough at the beginning.
We talked on and off for a while, and now we just started talking again. Reading all this stuff about pisces and virgo compatibility kind of scares me because I really don’t want to get hurt. I don’t know if I should believe it. But I guess what I can do is learn from what I have read and use it as a guideline.
I have strong feelings for him now, and now that we have been talking for a while he has told me he loved me. He is very caring, and sweet, but he gets in his moods, sometimes I just let it go, and other times it really bothers me…and then he gets frustrated with me when i ask him if he really loves me.
But I’m praying this time it will work out because I really feel for him, and maybe sometime down the road we can live closer to each other.
2 Virgos, 1 Pisces….
I’ve been on the market for about 6 months now. I had just gotten out of a relationship with a Leo(male) and I’m Pisces(female), It was probably the worst relationship I’d ever been in. Typical Leo, had to party and be the center of attention at all times while putting anyone who was better then him down. Well, now that I’ve healed from the emotional abuse that was the last year of my life I’ve got 2 guys interested in me… Both are Virgos. I’ve never dated a Virgo before. Its strange… They’re like the exact same people. However both are ALWAYS working… Which I don’t understand. But anyways… With what it says about Virgo’s being very critical and can lead to taking it out on the poor Pisces, I don’t know if I’m ok with that. At least going into a relationship with a Virgo I’m aware of this and will know what to do when it happens. Which is put my foot down and not take it
I may be Pisces, but I’m also a Dragon and thank goddess for that. Its the only thing giving me a back bone.
I’m a Virgo and my boy is a Pisces. we’ve been together for a year now and we are still going strong…very passionate. never a boring moment. I’m not going to say that we haven’t had our bad days, but the love we have for each other compensates for those bad days, and quite frankly, we both believe that we are made for each other. it seems as if we can read each others minds sometimes, and we are extremely dedicated, committed, and loyal to one another. its an annoyance that your review could so easily say that two little things that are different about these signs could make their love not be compatible for a lifetime…not to mention that moving in together would be detrimental. we stay together all the time and share literally everything, and i haven’t found any of it to be detrimental. our relationship is definitely NOT a shame, and it is most definitely a “lovely union.” we care for each other deeply, not only are we passionate lovers but we are best friends. and i wouldn’t have it any other way.
Hi, I’m a pisces woman in a relationship with a virgo man. We met each other through volunteer work and were best friends for a year. We fell in love…and after a year…he mustered the courage to ask me out. Long story short…i said yes, and we have been together ever since. I’ve been dating him over a year and a half…however we’ve hit an obsticle. I want to settle down and get married, and he’s scared about his financial situation. We have been going through an emotional ride for the past month…and i believe everything you have said about the pisces and virgo match is correct…sadly enough! I love him with all my heart, he loves me as well, but he’s way too critical. Constantly hurts me…emotional abuse for sure!
I guess I am the oddball, Virgo Sun and Pisces Moon and I get along with both Virgos and Pisces. I could see myself in a relationship with a Pisces but Virgos are just mainly friends.
I’m a Pisces gal with a Virgo boy. We’ve been together for 5 years now. We recently just moved in together and got engaged over the holidays. Sadly to say we called off our wedding. It crazy, I never really paid attention to the zodiac compatibility stuff until my girlfriend told me that Pisces and Virgo is not a match made in heaven. So I started reading about my zodiac signs and his. I was so blown away with everything I read. Everything was so true. Virgo is very stubborn and will show no emotions, towards their feelings, even when their hurting inside. They will keep everything bottled up. Very rare will say sorry even if they know they’re wrong. Their form of saying sorry is by doing things for you or by giving gifts. For the 5 years we we’re together I can count on my fingers how many times he said the word “SORRY” to me.
Although were totally opposite in every way, I weight everything on his good heart. I love him very much and I’m so heart broken that we just can be together because we’re just so different. Lets just say I’ve given all that I’ve got and have nothing more to give because he as exhausted me in every way.
They say you can’t make a person change their ways. The change has to come from them willingly. But you can certainly change your own ways and live a better and happy life with out all this hurt.
Hi i am a Pisces woman and my man is a Virgo! Reading all of these comments are like wow! Obviously there has to be some truth to astrology when all of us can relate to the same things. Me and my man are loving each other one minute then hating each other the next! But at the end of the day we are still together!! Don’t get me wrong sometimes i do be like what the hell am i doing but he does keep my on track even though he can be a pain in the ass!!!
aww I don’y know what to think about all of this, I am a pisces girl( with a virgo moon) and my ex is a virgo, and I have always felt this major connection to him, and he felt it to, when we met we called ourselves puzzle pieces b/c we fit so well, and I saw how our personalities balanced each other out, we didn’t end due to our personalities per se, but we had financial issues and it was hard for him to be with me and have to take care of me b/c I came from a very inexperienced upbringing and was new to a new city( and had moved in with him)and he and I both found ourselves jobless and trying to make ends meet.Basically we fell on hard times. I still love him to this very day, I really do feel he is my match and the love of my life, regardless of what this or any other thing says. Sadly though he has moved on to another girl( he recently got back on his feet after being a nomad for almost a year, and this chick is a former ex of his, and she has forbid him any friendships with any past girlfriends which is understandable especially since he left her for another girl the first time( a cap) so she is a taurus and I guess the astrological stuff says she is a good fit for him, and they will be together forever and you’ll never know how much that truly breaks my heart, he is my best friend, the only person who has ever understood me, Im still very much in love with him, and I Know he would still talk to me if the circumstances were different, but he moved in with her when he had no place else to go ( I didn’t have a place for him to stay at the time, i was living with other people in the middle of nowhere) so now I just feel so sad about it, he’s supposed to be a filmmaker and it’s like he’s giving up his dream, but I guess he’s happy( I can’t know for sure but I assume) and that’s what I want for him, even if I can’t have him, but I wont pretend it doesn’t break my heart b/c everything tells me that he is the one, I dreamt about it more than once. I really hope a miracle can be created for the two of us.In the meantime I just continue to learn and grow and hopefully spread love to the world around me.
i have a crush on a pisces guy and when we first met we would call eachother everyday and talk all night. i thought it would be love but then he asked out one of my good friends…smh =(
Well, I have to total agree with the compatibility match advice here. I’m a Pisces women in a relationship with a Virgo man. And when I say I’m a Pisces, I mean, I’m the stereotypical Pisces. Sexual desire was what initially bonded us, indeed. I helped him through hard times, meanwhile hopping his negative outlook on life would brighten to some extent…but, although he got over his rough patch, he’s still so negative. We’ve been together for a little over three years and lived together for two. His negativity and criticalness has started to bring me down. I want romance, and the matters of the heart mean more to me than anything, and he just doesn’t understand my desires.I’ve been in one of those dark, emotional Pisces depressions for about a month now. I have been completely escaping in love stories in books and movies. He has noticed, but has not said much, as usual. I find myself longing for my true love or soul mate if you’d rather and questioning if the Virgo that I truly do love is meant for me? I find myself wondering if we’re both unhappy. I don’t know the answer right now, but this page helpful. Thanks.
My husband is a Virgo and I’m a Pisces. We’ve been together for 9 years, married for 8. I can’t see my life without him. We compliment each other perfectly, and arent’ afraid to rely on each other when our weakness appear in situations. Sure, we’ve had our stormy moments, but they’ve made us closer. Having our first child was the hardest mountain to climb, but we made it. My husband is always supportive of anything that I do. He will do anything to help me or my family if needed. He works hard to provide for us. I have seen his emotions. He cries whenever the military send him away from us. I can always count on him to be there for us. He has always made a point to be involved in any decisions that have had to be made. We planned our wedding together, buy furniture together, etc. He’s my partner is every sense of the word. It takes work on both parts like any relationship.