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The Aquarius Man
I have been reading a lot lately about people’s apparent dislike for Aquarius men, and so I thought I would add my bit also. For anyone who has read any of my posts, you will know that I am openly a fan of these strange airy creatures. And I am. But that doesn’t mean to say I don’t understand the utter torment they can put people through. I have lived with two, one of whom I am hoping to live with for a lot longer than the last! So I have some insight into how the Aquarius man works.
Now, obviously, the other signs in their charts do come into it (rather a lot), but as a lot of people aren’t aware or not sure about which sign is what, I shall concentrate here mainly on the sun sign. And oh my, what a sun sign!! The problem I think the Aquarius man has is that the world has very set views on how people should be, and of-course, the Aquarians generally don’t fit into any category and they certainly don’t do things just to please the masses. Perhaps once, the Aquarius man fitted well into society, when it was OK for men to be in control, aloof, distant and lacking in emotion. However, it is not so nowadays. The modern man is expected to be a lot of things that the Aquarius man just can’t be. Not doesn’t want to be, just plain can’t.
If you learn to understand the Aquarius then it can make life much easier. Shouting at him and nagging will only make him go even further into himself which will make you angrier, thus a vicious circle begins. These men walk out, it’s really annoying, but that’s what they do. You say anything to them they don’t like and off they go. I have learnt the best thing is to just leave them to calm down, they will eventually, and they will come home, but they will not have their tail between their legs, Aquarius men don’t do that either. Infact, just to be safe, don’t even mention the previous argument, just accept he is over it and get on with being happy, it’s a tough call, but trust me, it’s the only one that works.
On the flip side, the Aquarius man is an amazing listener and is so very caring and kind and loving. If you ever have a problem he is the man to go too. But as I have learnt, that doesn’t include if it’s about him and it’s bad. That’s when you have to talk to a friend or really find the perfect timing, which will prove difficult as if you need to talk to him about him then there is never a good time. So you just have to tread carefully. They don’t really think they have many faults, and the one’s they do have only come about when other people bring the bad out in him (I’ve heard that one a lot). They are somewhat childish towards emotion (in my opinion). They just can’t seem to handle bad feeling at all, they want a world where there isn’t any, don’t we all!!
These men can also be highly selfish, they don’t mean to be, and that is the most annoying thing. They honestly don’t mean to wind you up. Or hurt your feelings. Or miss your birthday. They just do. And the best the rest of us can do I’m afraid is deal with it. Now, if your an Aquarius man reading this please don’t get too angry with me, I am deeply in love with one such man and truly love his funny way’s (that he won’t admit to having) But I just wanted to address some issues as they seem to keep popping up.
Another frustrating trait of these men is their lack of emotion. Isn’t it annoying? YES! Trouble is they don’t actually lack emotion, they have barrel loads of it, it just doesn’t emanate out of them that’s all. Of course, when they do let it out you faint with shock and miss the whole thing anyway! Seriously though these people do feel, perhaps they feel too much, I don’t know, what I do know is they are masters at blocking. They seem to block anything from their minds that they do not want there. Lucky them. I can’t do it, I’ve tried
I have forgotten to mention that they are brilliant, at everything! And they aren’t overly arrogant about it either, really. The truth is though the Aquarius man is worth listening too, they have a bit of the genius in them and they are terribly clever, which is also really annoying. Of course, the problem with that is that they adopt a ‘right about everything’ attitude to things which is totally unnecessary if you ask me! They can make you feel slightly beneath them with their confidence in their rightness. However, they are normally rubbish at general knowledge, mine is anyway, so he sneaks out of the room.
Which is another thing, if they know or think they won’t be or aren’t very good at something to save embarrassment they simply won’t even try. For instance, I love to play tennis, but my beloved Aquarius has never played, so of course, we have never played each other, ever. I join in all his activities, but he won’t share in mine easily. And if I ever do beat him at something it was ‘just luck’ rather than talent! So, there we have it, the Aquarian man. A one off, unique nutty oddball. But I love them. It would be interesting to see what you all think about this, so please leave some comments!
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February 13th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Well everyone, the most recent aquarian ex and I met up for a friendly tv show and ended up having the best, hot, passionate sex we’ve had since we first met. Instead of getting all weepy and emotional I kissed him on the cheek and thanked him for the great sex and went home shortly afterward. He suddenly went into himself and became quiet as I was leaving.
I don’t know what will or won’t happen from here but it felt good to walk away in control and not confused about anything.
February 13th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Hi, I met my aquarius guy when i least expected it. I went out to see my pisces ex and ended up with my aqua man’s number!!! We just ‘clicked’ straight away, both having the same sense of humour. The next time we met he asked me back to his & we were together for 2 months. I can honestly say we had such a great time! i love socialising, so does he. All his friends said that we were perfect together and i thought they were great, however, he never met any of my friends.
He has a son with his ex girlfriend and when she found out we were going out she stopped him from seeing his son. It’s bothered him so much and i hate to see him this upset. Anyway, he started being really distant about a week and a half ago, not wanting to see me, hardly contacting me. Then he did everything that could possibly annoy me, afterwards saying ‘i’m not doing anything wrong, am i? i don’t want to loose you’. Next thing i know, he’s pushed me too far, and i said that i wished he would stop taking his issues out on me! his ex wound him up by not turning up with his son again and i got a call saying his friend was staying over the next night and so he couldnt see me. He still loved me & the arguement the night before was sorted wasnt it? i said yes we were fine & i was sorry, but i did want to see him to make sure everything really was ok.
The next thing, i didnt hear from him the next day & he dumped me the day after.
He was really sweet, to be fair. He said it was because of his ex, and he really missed his son. He wanted to stay friends, although i told him we could, we never crossed paths before so the chances are we wouldnt now. He also said he was sorry he hurt me and he might regret it in the morning.When i said i was going to cry, and had to go, he said that he was going to cry too.
I texted him the next night and NOTHING, no reply.
I havent bothered since, it’s only been 4 days since weve broken up but it seems unreal. we were fine & then nothing.
Is this normal & will he come back? How do i get him to come back?
His birthday is 24th january 1982 and mine is 13th march 1985.
February 14th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
To: Pisces Dragon:
Are you still trying to get away from your aqua man, because I am ignoring mine and do NOT plan on giving him the time of day unless he kisses my booty which I don’t think he will do. So , yes I nee a padnah’ in crime.
Haz91:
Thanks! You are right he is an ass and I am such a good person and I have bent over backwards for this man. He is not worth it. Not unless he has a comes to Jesus meeting and I see a HUGE change first, and I mean, I have to see it. I will keep you posted because he is still somewhat in the picture as he wants it to be that way. Its like he has a strange thrill out of making me crazy. But I am not giving into it! Thank you everyone. And where is Becky? I could use some of her insight on this man!!! Hey Becky, you still running this site?? I hope so!!
Happy Valentines Day to everyone!
Veronica
February 15th, 2009 at 2:06 am
hi, and thx for the aqua man post
I dated this aqua guy for a yr and few mths. we friend long before we dated. at first he treat me as a friend, then when we went on dating, he does nice thing for me, however as time goes by he still didnt intro me to his friends and his social circle. He didnt give me any present on special events like xmas, ny, bday…etc but i dont realy mind. later on I get the impression that he seem to put his friend’s need first before me. it’s so true that they can be selfish, for me hes’ so oblivious abt things between us.
coincidently, I hang out with pple he’s know so occasionally we bump into each other @ the clubs..however he treated me jst like everyone eles…”friend” and doesnt acknowledge me as his gf. He’s the man for everyone (girls thrown themselves @ him on dance floor). I cant stop those girls going for him cos he is charming and make them feel good, but I cant tolerate his flirtatious behaviour and he should draw a line with them since he is dating me….therefore i called him a slut ehhehehehe
I had read Veronica’s story and mine are similar. As much as I enjoy spending time with him, I do think i deserve better, someone who can appreciate me more than this so I decided to walk away for good. I rather end this early before I get too attach and make it harder to walk away from him. Aqua man can be good friend but not as boyfriend. They need to take in consideration that not everyone can read their mind
February 15th, 2009 at 3:36 am
Oh, and I need to especially thank dbella (Ivy)…thank you for your so sensitive responses and just feeling what I feel with his rejection. I think everyone of us is special and deserves someone who thinks the same. I will be hurt for quite a while, I know it. Valentines Day has come and it will go without a word from him. I can’t believe I gave myself to someone who thinks so little of me. If this is the way of Aquarius men then I am going to flat ask them when I meet one, are you an Aquarius? and if the answer is yes, I will run!!! Thanks for being the sweetheart you are and the man that gets you is one lucky person!
Your friend,
V
February 15th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Veronica,
Yes. I’m letting it go. He makes it rather easy for me by not calling. Lol. It’s been over 2 weeks since we talked, and almost 3 months since we last seen each other…this is typical. He’ll probably send me a text in the next week or 2 and act like no time has passed.
If or when this happens, I will not respond. Not yet, anyway. I’ll let him wonder for a little while.
Oh well…
I’ll let ya know if I hear from him..Keep me posted.
February 15th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Virgo Girl,
I feel you girl. I am treated the same way. I am nice like no big deal and it drives him crazy. I don’t know what is wired wrong in their brains that makes them act so weird to the people who care the most!
I am with you. Keep posting, this is like a group therapy session! Ha!
Veronica
February 16th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Veronica & Pisces_Dragon
I told him not to contact me in any form again. If he decides to contact me again after “leaving me to cool down” (as he always said when im mad at him) then I will treat him like a either stranger or aquaintance. and limit my convo and keep my distant
He think he can have an authority over me and I cant live without him or wat.
I wish him gluck for finding someone who can put up with his flirtatious and oblivious attitude. I feel bad for her but she gotta go thru it to feel it.
I dont hate him, nor hold any grudge. I feel nothing after sending him my breakup email and I sent it on Valentine day too
well he need to taste his own medicine and learn to consider other’s feeling, not jst his own
Yeah, this is like a group thearapy
I feel good to share my story with u and others, and read their happy/sad experiences
February 16th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Well, my ex aquarian and I hooked up again. That makes twice in 4 days and it all started with him inviting me over to watch our favorite shows together and dinner. He says he wants to be friends but we’re carrying on like more than friends. We were together for almost two yrs. Maybe this relationship means more to him than he thought? Or maybe we’ve just been so close that friendship isn’t going to work???
Any ideas??
February 16th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
I am at work now and I’ll tell you, he acts like he is pissed off at me and I have no idea why. He is short and glares. I am like WTH??? Anyway, after I slept with him, nothing. He returns a text occasionally but never calls, never asks me out anymore. Has never taken me on an appropriate date. I am nothing to him….I am also going to give him a taste of his own medicine. Good luck to the woman who gets him. To be honest I don’t know very many who would have put up with what I have to this point without telling him off. But because we work together, I cannot have this in the work place, so the cold shoulder. He seems to be living without it, so no big change. I will just need all you guys to help me through this change. Its the hardest thing I am trying to do…. I feel sorry for myself, but I sure am trying not to. I feel used also. Honestly, I think he is an ambivalent man. He cannot connect intimately, hence the no kissing and sex is mechanical….done and over, gets dressed and goes and works out. Makes me feel like trash. No more. I am embarassed even telling you guys I have let a man treat me like this. I will become stronger. I heard a quote, “There is nobody who can make me feel inferior unless I give them the consent to.” I am not giving consent!
Veronica
February 17th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Dbella, Pisces-Dragon, Haz91 and to everyone who has helped me on this site:
After I left work I text him to please call me I wanted to talk to his face or at least on the phone because I was NOT going to do the text thing. I sent “I see how u feel but before you continue on with your life, I need to talk to u in person or at least on the phone. It won’t be emotional or freak u out, I just want to tell you something before I can walk away from this. Pls call me when ur off and I swear I will walk out of your life like I feel you want. It won’t take long but not on this text. Thanks. Call me or Ill call, lets just end it well. My biggest fault with u was I cared to much.
Ok, 45 mins later,…..I can’t keep doing this, I am a good woman. I need to speak to u. I mean, come on Steven we were very close or so I thought. Pls call tonight. It won’t take long and I will feel better. Thank you.
45 mins later…. R u gonna call?
1 hour later: I definitely have my personal thoughts about this but I truly hope we will be friends. I stood up for u with David, I hope you don’t treat me badly like I have seen you do to him in the past. Your r to dear a friend at least to me. It was fun while it lasted. You won’t hear from me again. I guess to end it in this way is not important to you. Bye Steven. I love ya
Ok. Not one word. I have come to realize, I am a doormat while he goes out and does his thing but I am the safe sex woman (he’s freaky about that kind of stuff). I am so much better than to be treated that way. I tell everyone of these girls on this site going through this kind of torture with Aquarius men, to demand to be treated kindly or walk away. If you like a masochistic realtionship, then I give you props for being a better person than I am. But when they all find themselves old and alone, maybe some of these men will rethink their ways. This is my first experience with an Aquaris and we are suppose to be so perfect, and it was at first. But I swear, I am not going to be treated like a nothing. I would never do my worst enemy the way he has treated me at work. In the midst of this, I love the man, yes I do. It will be a while before I can get over him but I have to. I don’t know about you guys but I want a long and happy life with a man who cares. BS to this no response, that is just plain rude.
Love to all,
Veronica
Thanks for everything and I will keep you posted. I am sure I will get the dirty looks when he comes in but I will just turn my nose up and talk to someone who truly cares about me.
I will need ALL your help!
Thank you again and I pray all God’s blessing on all you sweet women on here that your prayers are answered to life and love!
February 17th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Also to Quest:
We also seem to have the same feelings and drama going on in life. The post above was to you also! Let me know how you hold out!
Veronica
February 17th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
To all my frends:
I forgot an important piece of information. When I asked him to call or I would call. Before I sent the last text, I called him. He had turned off his phone. What an Ass! Sorry, but I am so hurt that he turned out to be a totally different man. I believe he is definitely an Aquarius, but one with emotional issues which makes it worse. No wonder his wife left him! I can’t imagaine living in such a world with a man who is suppose to love you. Sorry, so much I just needed to vent and I thought this was important for you guys to know.
Veronica
February 17th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Veronica,
What an ass! No one deserves that kind of treatment. If I were you I would just walk by and snicker–let him wonder what you’re laughing about…and if he asks, tell him you were thinking about how cute his little penis is. lol. No, but seriously…look at the facts:
He’s a jerk
He’s not very good in bed (based on your description)
He’s a womanizer
A manipulator
A user
Rude
Emotional inept
Immature
A player..
and perhaps a small penis?
People who treat others badly are often hiding something. Misery loves company, right?
I don’t know about you, but for me, I often have a hard time letting go of things if there isn’t a sense of “closure.” maybe you should tell him how you feel. You don’t have to be confrontational. Maybe you could just tell him you are surprised and disappointed in his behavior–and you expected more from him. But, then again….he sounds like a very self-righteous person and seems to think quite a bit of himself. In general, I would just make it clear to him that the only thing he has going for him are his looks (and eventually, even looks get old). His charm has run out…and anyone else in your shoes would feel just as you do at some point. The other girls will catch on. I don’t know….I was just thinking that it might help you to let your feelings be known. It helps me (whether or not they receive it).
Start feeling “sorry” for him–afterall he’s gotta be a miserable person–and maybe you’ll be able to see him as an ordinary fella, rather than someone who deserves to sit on a pedestal. Maybe that way, you’ll be able to get over him. Trust me, if he doesn’t treat you like something special, if he doesn’t act like something special, then odds are..he isn’t something special. Once you realize this, it will become obvious to him, because you’ll no longer show an interest whatsoever…and when this happens, he’ll probably hone in and try to win you back. Don’t fall for it.
I know this is hard and I’m sorry you’re having to endure it. You have every right to feel used. But you will get through it. I promise. Think of all the real battles you’ve had to go through in life…I’m sure then, you can look at this situation and laugh it off.
Good luck..and let me know how it goes.
P.s. Please don’t feel embarrassed about sharing…Many of us have your best interest at heart.
February 19th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Veronica
After my final email and i did give him a closure so he know what to do from there on . I didnt expect to heard anything from him after that…….surprisingly, he reply but he started to point fingers at my faults. talking like as if he know me well, complaining about my doing, not caring attitudes and such
I jst firmly tell him that if he’s not up to relationship nor bother to try with me to make it work then that’s fine, im not goin to push or nag abt it
no-one born to match the other, it’ll take alot of work and effort…..yet he expect me to do the chasing. Im a virgo, i dont chase anyone…PERIOD!!! He said if i want “deep & meaningful relationship, why dont I jst date those that confessed their love to me” or “find those guy @ church” WTF!!. He doesnt look at why i dont date other guys when they asked me out, why i put up wif his crap and tolerate his flirtatious behaviour and bad treatment. all he can see is how i dont show my emotion, i do wat i want and not telling him about it.
What does he want me to do, stay home waiting for his call, hoping he’ll come over? I had my life to live jst like he does wif his. He hang out wif his friends ALL the time yet i cant hang out wif my gfs? wat a hyprocrite. He doesnt make time for US, I dont need to give out mine either.
Im a virgo, unless i am sure about his intention and feel secure that he’s into me, I dont give out my emotion easily and surely not head-over-heel for him
Veronica, if u only call him ONCE and let him know u want to talk thing straight one-n-for-all, and leave it as it is he will call u back, maybe not on same day but he will
however, bcos u keep calling him after 45mins, he doesnt care and get annoyed so he switch off his phone. If he’s man enough he shouldnt turn off his phone, but since he’s a jerk then U’R BETTER OFF W/O HIM. MOVE ON. no need closure or anything.
gluck
February 20th, 2009 at 12:40 am
Veronica…
I haven’t been on in awhile… I’m so sorry … How everything turned out.
Personally I don’t think you have anything more to say to him… I mean you laid it out in a text and he didn’t respond… but the fact is, is that you laid it out… You put it out there for him.. and for whatever reason he didn’t care to respond.
Take that as closure… take him saying nothing… as your closure because this is what he’s about…
Get out there occupy your time and learn everyday to forget about him and his stupid game…
Laugh at him, roll your eyes when he tries to be nice…They hate it when you act like you don’t care..
My Aquarius man is in his own world everyday … it’s frustrating, it’s funny, it’s the way he is… some days I want to slap him, others I’m just so happy to be next to him.
He still won’t commit to me..so we can only go so far with this ‘relationship’, it hurts because I love him and I’d love to commit to him but I’m not forcing ANYONE to be with me…
I know I’m perfect for him… we’re perfect for one another…so if or when I move on, it will be his loss… and the only one he has to blame is himself…
People think they have forever
Veronica… everything is okay…stay strong!
stay beautiful!!
=Ivy
February 21st, 2009 at 8:16 am
Pisces Dragon, Quest and Ivy,
Thank you all, everyone for all their help. I have needed your words of advice and encouragement to get me through this with this man. He did call me the other day to talk for a minute but his boss walked in and had to go. He said he would call back but did not. I was light hearted, no big deal, but still no return call. I wondered why he even called. But anyway, I decided I have so much love in me to give that I would be miserable any how with a man who would not let me climb in his lap, or just hug and kiss just because I wanted to. How sad I would be. He is noticing me pulling away, and I think he is noticing. But, to get me to trust him, he would have to probably put more effort in it that he would be willing to give, so its a dead end for me. Oh well, so much for Gemini and Aquarius. And one more thing, he acts all happy around people but with me, he shared his insecurities but acts pissed off all the time when nobody knows he is looking at me. A very strange man, maybe more problems than an just being an Aquarius. Sometimes I feel like I will probably be alone forever. I am just not a bar hopping kind of girl. I want the man to find me and how is he going to find me at home? I go out with my girlfriends, but its around their schedule with babies, boyfriends, husbands, etc. I refuse to date of these dating sites. I can’t pick out a quality man by a picture! Oh, well…..I am going to bed now. Thank you one and all for everything and YES!!!! Pisces Dragon….he did suck in bed not from lack of size but from lack of what I would say experience. I believe he has had very very little. Not that I am an expert, but the few men I have been with blew him out of the water. So, that just is mean for me to say but makes me feel better. At least I would never say it to him, but I can vent to you guys! Love to all!
V
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:34 am
Hi Becky,
I just wanted to throw a thought out for you to ponder.
In a majority of these posts (including my own) many of us have the same concerns over the Aquarius man: He doesn’t return calls, he seems uninterested, and so on and so forth. But, what really has me thinking is how we seem to have such a hard time with letting these guys go. Why is that? I mean, I have stopped communication with others for less.
Anyway, is it the charm or the challenge? OR do you think there’s some strong spiritual pull attached to the aquarius? Or am I completely nuts?
The experience I had with my aqua truly felt like someone reached in and grabbed my soul. We kissed for hours–and it wasn’t anything sexual for me. It’s something hard to explain, but it felt spiritual–like a reunion of souls. I know he felt something, too.
We developed a friendship/ casual love interest (no sex). He would open up to me about things even I would’ve thought private. but then there were inconsistencies with other things: Like not talking for weeks at a time. After a year of this, I suppose I’ve grown weary of his style and approach to things. He would often leave me hanging; saying he would see me in an hour, but then never show. I gave him the benefit of the doubt 2 times, but after the third I sent him an email saying: “Please don’t call me anymore.”
He responded with saying he thought we were closer than that, and wanted an explanation. I told him I felt foolish in following my heart somewhere it is not allowed to go–and that I was beginning to think I imagined something that wasn’t there–and may have already invested too much thought and energy into someone is unavaiable, and seemingly not that interested. I haven’t heard anything since, and honestly don’t expect to.
Anyway, I did’t mean to get caught up in my story. I apologize.
So here are my questions:
Is there a reason women have such a hard time letting go of the peculiar aquarius?
and..
I think I may have severed our ties (which isn’t necessarily what I wanted to do–just really needed some time to clear my head–but, I was impulsive–kinda hard to go back now though, but do you think I could’ve handled ending our friendship a little differenly?
Whew!
March 2nd, 2009 at 9:25 am
Hi there Pisces Dragon, Thank you for your comment. Feel free to write your story there are lots of people here doing just that, including me! You are right, it is terribly hard to let go of an Aquarius man, I have been there and seen that for myself. I think that most things in our lives we have control of, where we go, who we speak to, which clothes we wear, we are all independant in that way and the Aquarius man throws all of that in the fire. He dosen’t react how we want him to, when we want him too, worse than that, he dosen’t react at all! They also give the weirdest signals I have ever experienced, you never know whether they love you as a lover or as a friend, whether they enjoy spending time with you or not. We all live in a world of the spoken word to communicate and the Aquarius man does not, not until he feels like it anyway. So it’s a case I believe of fascination with these men. We desperatly want to understand them and they are such a challenge that we can not help but keep after them, which is the wrong thing to do (according to them) but the rest of us are just mere mortals who do not understand they intricate ways of the Aquarius, they really should make the boundaries far more visible!!
You are a Pisces, therefore you posess great intuition (whether you use it or not) so you MUST trust yourself, your heart and what your instinct tells you. Trying to use logic won’t work that well for you! Of course you culd have handled it differently, but he should really understand your need for ‘time out’ as he himself practically invented the term. Don’t ever feel that you can’t go back, if you fell you want to to set the record straight then you should. Never live with what if’s always try and ease your mind.
Love & Light
Becky
P.S I just love dragons
a pisces dragon must be rather fascinating!
March 4th, 2009 at 2:04 am
hi becky,
i am an aquarian male , and i agree with all what u said , just wanna add:
“if u won an aquarian male,so u won the whole world ”
“give me freedom,and i will give u everything u wish”
“plz,,, don’t talk to me on phone for hours in useless issues ”
“may be we keep away of our parteners for hours and may be days , but ourfew moments when we get closer equals hundreds of years
”
” let me miss u ” and honestly the more you keep away the more u get us closer to u ” calling once or twice daily r stisfactory for us.
” plz plz try to understand us , we r very rare ,precious ,once in life time ”
“we r highlty spritual creatures , we like spritual ,unvisible matters , we can love with closed eyes , getting togther with our partners doen’t make that haulariace addition !!!!!!!!!