Ophiuchus - The 13th Sign of the Zodiac |
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The 13th sign of the zodiac, unlike the other 12 signs is actually associated with a real person. In the 27th Century BCE in Ancient Egypt lived a man known as Imhotep. Imhotep was known as ‘Aesclepius’ by the Ancient Greeks, however the attributes are the same under either name.
One of Imhoteps abilities was healing and it is said that it was he who introduced it to mankind. His accomplishments also included a wide knowledge of medicine. The serpent or snake symbol which is still used today to symbolize the medical profession was also used to represent Imhotep. Below is a list of attributes associated with the Serpent Holder, Imhotep i.e Aesclepius. The descriptions below are associated with the 13th sign - Ophiuchus.
- Many people are envious of this subject as he progresses well throughout life.
- A seeker of wisdom and knowledge
- Many people are jealous of this person
- Tends to go for the more flamboyant in dress sense, favouring bright colours.
- Authority looks upon him well.
- Would make a great architect or builder.
- Number 12 is this persons lucky number.
- This person will have a big family but leave home at an early age.
This is the Zodiac as some astrologers believe it should be:
ARIES = APRIL 19 - MAY 13
TAURUS = MAY 14 - JUNE 19
GEMINI = JUNE 20 - JULY 20
CANCER = JULY 21 - AUG 9
LEO = AUGUST 10 - SEPTEMBER 15
VIRGO = SEPTEMBER 16 - OCTOBER 30
LIBRA = OCTOBER 31 - NOVEMBER 22
SCORPIO = NOVEMBER 23 - NOVEMBER 29
OPHIUCHUS = NOVEMBER 30 - DECEMBER 17
SAGITTARIUS = DECEMBER 18 - JANUARY 18
CAPRICORN = JANUARY 19 - FEBRUARY 15
AQUARIUS = FEBRUARY 16 - MARCH 11
PISCES = MARCH 12 - APRIL 18
I’m not sure myself about the qualities of that of Ophiucus, but perhaps if you mix Scorpio with Sagittarius you may come up with something along the right lines.
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This leaves me confused. Is this what they mean by having a Cusp?
Hello Lynn, On the cusp means that you were born at the changing of two signs. The 13th sign is what some people believe should be included to the zodiac.
I thought I was a scorpio sag cusp, but after reading this I am wondering that maybe I am a libra? My riseing sign is libra so this could count for the libra streak, I definately know is there, but I still find it frustating that I still don’t know for sure what my sun sign is! Although i am pretty sure it is scorpio. Libra, scopio, sag., somewhere in there. lol. Anyways i lov this site. Lots of funny and interesting things to read. And thanks fo the update on Ophichus!!!
I’m a serpentarius and I agree with all the coments you made about our sign about the Jealousy and what not on the positive side I’m brilliant with herd and there health benifts and can heal in that way…that description is me to a T!!
OMG!!! my whole life i thought i was an aries but the aries description NEVER fit me and i always ended up confused!!! It says aries are always bossy and determined and stuff well i am a very caring shy person and i never fight wih ppl 4 fun like it is said that aries do. But my bday is april 8 and this chart really helped cuz the characteroistics of a pisces fit me just right!!! THANK YOU SOI MUCH!!!
I was born on April 12, 1992. When I found out that I was an Aries, I didn’t think it was true and I started having doubts about my sun sign. I stumbled onto a web page that said I am actually a Pisces. I started to believe that. Though one day when I asked my algebra teacher from my freshman year what her birthday was, she said that she was born on April 19. I told her about the 3rd Decanate of Aries and she said that she isn’t gentle and that she is a true Aries. I am actually a Pisces and I’m glad that I found that out. Thank you!
This is cool. It’s very true about everything. I am extremely lucky and have a way of healing people with my words and interaction. I have a lot of friends just because they want me to help them heal their thinking. Where can I learn more about my sign, the serpent healer?
Hi there are some attributes that define each astrological signs and you really don’t need to know the exact dates just from that. Like the Capricorn is wise and solid which are very strong personality traits. A Sagitarrius is cheerful and brave. Sometimes you can just feel it and see it in the person. Animals also correspond and so do insects. We also always forget that there are twelve astrological years presented by the Chinese which are very powerful too. Together those really give us the philosophical outlines of personalities. I think this sign the snake handler or Ophiuchus runs alongside all of them and we have a chance to connect with it. I am not sure if it acually appears stronger at one time of the year. I think it is always present but few of us accept it.
josephine sorry to burst ur bubble but ur not a pisces…as of 1990 the alignments changed again
read below…
THE FOLLOWING SIDEREAL ZODIAC IS FOR PEOPLE BORN BEFORE 1990
ARIES = APRIL 19 - MAY 13
TAURUS = MAY 14 - JUNE 19
GEMINI = JUNE 20 - JULY 20
CANCER = JULY 21 - AUG 9
LEO = AUGUST 10 - SEPTEMBER 15
VIRGO = SEPTEMBER 16 - OCTOBER 30
LIBRA = OCTOBER 31 - NOVEMBER 22
SCORPIO = NOVEMBER 23 - NOVEMBER 29
OPHIUCHUS = NOVEMBER 30 - DECEMBER 17
SAGITTARIUS = DECEMBER 18 - JANUARY 18
CAPRICORN = JANUARY 19 - FEBRUARY 15
AQUARIUS = FEBRUARY 16 - MARCH 11
PISCES = MARCH 12 - APRIL 18
The following Sidereal Zodiac below is for children born beginning 1990:
AQUARIUS March 26 - April 18
PISCES April 19 - May 26
ARIES May 27 - June 20
TAURUS June 21 - July27
GEMINI July 28 - August 27
CANCER August 28 - September 17
LEO September 18 - October 24
VIRGO October 25 - December 9
LIBRA December 10 - January 1
SCORPIO January 2 - January 8
OPHIUCHUS January 9 - Janury 26
SAGITTARIUS January 27 - February 27
CAPRICORN February 28 - March 25
as you can see, josephine, you’re actually an aquarius
I was born on 1st Dec -78 and as so I am not only a master sign of 11, but also the 13:th sign according to this. I have not always felt that everything that “should” comply with being a sag could be attributed to me and I’ve known about the 13:th sign for about 10 yrs but since there is almost no info about it I stuck to the sag description. All I can say is that people have since I was a child been jealous of me for different reasons, I have always been very creative and am about to learn how to be a gardner and hopefully I’ll design beautiful gardens in the future, I’ve always been a bit exentric when it comes to clothes and hair etc and I love knowledge. I have often said that my biggest hobby is to learn new things and to “collect knowledge”. So I suppose I’m very much a Serp.. Now I’ve also recently broken up a realtionship with a man of my own sign, 10th Dec -80 and fallen in love with a Cap apparently, 27th Jan -76. Wonder how this will pan out…?
Lmao, so I’m a taurus? Everything about me screams Gemini. This is wrong.
Boo. That’s why it wasn’t added to the zodiac, because I am NOT a taurus. I am a gemini to a “T”.
This thing is faulty. If the zodiac were like that, no one would believe in the horoscope or find some truth to it. I’d be laughing so hard. Me, a hard worker? Lol.
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WHY IS SCORPIO 6 F***ING DAYS!!1?? THIS THING IS F***IN WRONG!! EVERY OTHER ZODIAC SIGN HAS MORE DAYS THEN SCORPIO AND GO INTO DIFFERENT MONTHS BUT SCORPIO IS IN THE SAME MONTH AND ONLY LASTS FOR 6 F***IN DAYS!! THIS ZODIAC CHART IS WRONG TO A “T” WHO EVER CAME UP WITH IT FAILED HARD!! EACH ZODIAC IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN EQUAL OR CLOSE TO AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF DAYS!!!
I AM A SCORPIO and i know for sure I’M NOT A LIBRA!!!!!!!! i take pride in my sign and i wont let a thing like the so calle “13th sign” take it away from me…plus i know the mystery behind the 13th sign…and after reading that I DON’T THINK any of you would want to be a OPHIUCHUS!!!
I agree, this is inaccurate. I was born July 29th, 1982; and I fit the description of Leo COMPLETELY. There is not a thread of me that is even remotely adaptable to the Cancer mold. Perhaps I am just an old soul.
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hello, i have a theory i would like to share which you will see is at first not directly related to the topic, but introduces new specualtion.
i believe that moon signs can be cusped. i was born at 6:11am, 8.11.70. i am one minute into sagitarius moon, but there is no denying that my moon can at times be so very scorpionic. there are other times i am totally on fire so to speak; not only is my sun leo so is my ascendant. triple fire or a little water at times, compounded with taurus midheaven.
so i wonder if anyone would agree with my old( as of today!) theory of cusping moon signs, has anyone ever written of them? or is it possible to consider that i am of an Ophiechus moon?
It was wonderful to have that epiphany; i am very aware of the chakras, of kundalini energy, and also am aware of my own claivoyance. I flet extremely … serpentarian when i thought of the corelation and how it could affect my chart personally. ( a big relief to still be a leo!!) - about how someone states no one would want to be serpentarian- i beg to differ- i feel and have felt at times that the attributes of the sign are within me, as dictated by the nature of a moon sign. the scorpionic tendencies i mentioned seem closer to the truth, and the “tottering” between philosophical sagitarius and sexual scorpio feels nicely balanced with this to contemplate. i suppose someone could say that the seesaw effect, which i have noticed very profoundly in the sun sign cusps i know, could have been the swaying of the sign as we come closer to it for 12.21.12.
ironically, i have started a very successful business and i have said to myself several times’ ” i know what i am doing until 2012.”
I also wonder if there are attributes for Ophiechus’ influence on the body? I wouldn’t be surprized if you said the eyes; seems to have alot of enrgy associated with the eyes for some reason.
i will be happy to share the more complete moon sign cusping theory if anyone cares to see it…
thank you, Joe
*First 7-music…way to reply exactly like an angry Scorpio, with your sting and harsh words. I don’t know if you are against Libras or just overly excited about being a Scorpio but your capital lettered/exclamation filled comment is a little much. You don’t have to believe it (i don’t think i do) but do you need all the profanity and seemingly offensive comment about being a Libra and, quite frankly, your whining about your poor 6 day sign. If you don’t believe it (and you have made that evidently clear!) you don’t have to scream and swear online about it…really?? not cool, but yay for you for being a super Scorpio and VERY proud of it (apparently)
*Second, hary1ophi1 you will enjoy being an Aquarius (well if you believe this particular theory lol) as it is a great sign to be born under….ask any of us 
(no offence to 7-music, i hope i don’t receive a capital lettered/exclamation filled reply hahaha ) *Third Joe i really liked your comment…people always seem to forget that astrology IS a science and the ‘horoscopes’ we read in the paper (which i love) are not even close to being as accurate as they are with each individuals birth place/date/time etc…it is just a generalization at best (but still DEAD ON sometimes, eh?) to my point, i have a friend that i thought of immediately when i read this page about the 13th sign and she fits perfectly with sexual Scorpio and Gypsy like Sagittarius so maybe there is SOME merit to this theory but i don’t believe (with my knowledge) i will be practicing it anytime soon..but something to think about, eh? Peace
Is the 13th sign a sign of the antichrist because of the prophcey of december 21 2012. IT IS THE SERPENT HOLDER AS A SIGN!!!!!!!!! I AM BORN DECEMBER 3, 1986
What the? I am NOT a Capricorn. This is all a bit sad because the original Astrology makes more sense than this newly identified bullshit. I guess it’s all just bullshit in the end but I’d prefer to believe in the way it’s always been. Really. I’m a Pisces and I know it. I’m highly disorganized even though I’d like to not believe it.
Ophiuchus - The 13th Sign of the Zodiac
This doesn’t make any sense… I fit Pisces to a T! And my best Scorpio friends fit Scorpios… and so on. This is really confusing me.
You should all remember that we are not just made up of one sign. We have rising sun, moon, planets in different houses, and above all our own will to manifest changes in our destiny. So don’t get so upset about a 13th sign . . . Take control of your destiny. The stars just light the way — like street signs. You are the one driving!
I feel stupid having a gemini tattoo when im accually a taurus? Fuck astrology this shit stupid anyways. Dont make sense neither cause my personality always fitted a gemini more. Fuck dey blammy words 2. Blah
hey everyone, just be yourselves.
Maybe this is easier for me to digest than some. After all, I’m a Leo no matter how it is viewed. And now am much more aware of the insinuations of my Serpentarius moon… It seems you all forgot that the sun signs represent the outer projection of the native, and the moon represents the inner and emotional being.
I have been continuing to manifest abundance in my life at a much more accelerated rate than I was before this epiphany concerning the true nature of my natal chart.
I would like to suggest that the persons that fele that this affects them in a negative manner, essentially anyone that has been confronted with a such a drastic change in personal beief, I. E. their sun sign, to just meditate on it. Calmly, contemplate it. Open to the energy of the signs and the universe and ask yourself what would it be like to be this new sign? Not what you think of it; how does it make you FEEL?
I am an extremely clairvoyant person. My senses have felt out of sorts on many things over the years. As the 2012 convergence nears, I feel much more stable on an energy level.
I have to tell you, this 13th sign acceptance feels RIGHT.
PS would love to get some feedback from this site’s facilitator!!!!
dreamingcrow11@aol.com if not here!
Blessed Be, Joe
An interesting Serpentarius theory- The Gregorian calandar had christian holidays included to cover and obscure pagan holidays.
Is it possible that christmas landing in capricorn, the goat, ( the sign associated with satanism, sorry if youre one and didnt know!)was an attempt to associate christmas landing in this sign to help people forget about the pagan associations with capricorn?
Serpentarius inclusion also strengthens the theory that christ was born in Pisces; with pisces even later into spring, it makes sense that shepards were out sheparding andsaw a star…
sorry to point this out, shepards don’t wander in december, even i nthe mideast. it’s cold in the night during december even in a desert. this theory has been bouncing around since 1990…
And before anyone calls me a heretic or anti-christian, I’ll admit I was a skeptic until 1993 or so when it was reported that a jospeh and mary’s sepulchre had been found in jerusalem and was carbon dated to A.D. 44… I do believe in the hard scientific data that there was indeed a historical figure, a man named jesus that did in fact live…
it’s not chrisitianity i have a problem with, it’s a wonderful belief system. But men like Gregorius tried to use it to hide a glorious truth from us… I’m glad we’re coming back to the truth of the universe.
Blessed Be, Joe
Hi there Joe,
Thank you for your insight and comments. As for the Christian side of things? Well, for me I am far more in tune with Paganism as that is where it started afterall, Christianity in my opinion is nothing more than a money making machine. However I always respect others views as I am not a single minded person in anyway.
I actually am not a believer of the 13th sign, although I have a problem with the word ‘believe’ in any case. It simply does not feel right to me, it feels as though it is not meant to be part of the zodiac as we know it. I think it’s a personal opinion, just like everythin else in this world, we have to go with what we ‘feel’ is right.
Love & Light
Becky
Gday Becky,
Im no expert on any of this, but it has got me very curious, harry1 stated on 30th june, tht the zodiacs changed after 1990? Am i correct in assuming these dates are fluid? that they are always changing? In 2050 for example… Someone born in May would no longer b born under taurus… but another sign altogether?
Hello Becky
What do you think about what Nostradamus said about the 13th sign and the same was found to be predicted by Maya civilization, that in 2012 when the sun and the moon will be on the same line with Ophiuchus some big changes will happen globally, do you think that there is some touch of truth in there?
I find this a little difficult to buy. It could just be that for years I had a little trouble with ‘who’ ‘what’ I am/was, and while I think this is something everyone goes through at some point in their life, when I checked out my (supposed) sun sign or Aquarius and (supposed) rising sign of Libra, a lot of things kinda fell into place. According to the chart above though, I am a capricorn and from my little knowledge on the subject (I would never profess to be anymore than a student) I have very little in common with the presumed characteristics of Capricorn. I have nothing specific against the sign, i just can’t find a similarity bewteen Capricorn and myself, whereas Aquarius was like the heavens opening and showing me my own face.
In sum though, I have been questioning whether astrology in its entirety can ever truly be taken on as a lifestyle. Interesting, yes, but I find it very difficult to believe it can all apply to so many different people, even full birth charts.
We cannot deny the moons influence, as we know it controls the tide, it would be arrogant to believe we are therefore not effected by it. As for the rest, although I’d love there to be a connection between ourselves and all the planets, there just simply isn’t enough sufficient investigation to come to an accurate decision about their influence.
My gut says yes, but my head says keep questioning.
Hi Becky,
just came here by searching for the 13th sign,
I allways found the zodiac is something fluid
I don’t mind being this or that sign as long
it feels good to be
Hi Kap ,
there are a lot more things pointing at 2012!
For example some reports I found on the SOHO -
homepage about sunspots….even scientists
expect big changes…in progress!
love & live
Lucky
all i can say is wow! i was looking up my daughters cusp jan 19th…and i came across a site that mentiond this 13th sign, i was born december 3, 1980, i have always felt so inbetween the two signs of sagg and scorp so when i did my birth chart i found i had sun in sagg and moon in scorp…anyhow i have always had the ability to heal animals and have had some strange things happen with them(wild animals coming right up to me) and to read about this extra sign stunned me because it fits me so well…i feel like im not crazy now for thinking that i was a little of both worlds
thanks for all the info on here!
jess
D.O.B. 22.11.63
Fascinated by all this and the 13th sign. I arrived to the site understanding that Ophiuchus was between Scorpio and Sagitarius and thinking that I might be one! Now apparently I am a Libra and more confused than ever.I suspect that Mr 7-Music (posted above) has the very same birthday as myself and similar feelings). If anyone with knowledge would like to enlighten a curious student. Here I am! sean_crane@hotmail.co.uk
Thanks.
S.C.
What is Serpentarius please?
WOW, the whole 13th sign and the chart is sooooooooo confuesing to me. It says I am Capricorn, but I do not act like one. I was born January 25th 1983 and my Chinese sign is the Dog which fits me to a T. I also feel very Aquarius, but sometimes I feel I share a little of some of the traits of an Aries man.
Yeah, I agree with Becky, I feel it doesn’t fit the Zodica chart nor does it feel right, it feels strange to me.
Very interesting. So in another way, I was born on the cusp of taurus/gemini and I went and read the characteristics of taurus. I have to admit that the similarities in my personality are closer to that of a taurus, then a gemini or cancer.
Was very much an Astrology buff, until I discovered, even through my search (although skeptical) Led me to search further Now I am less skeptical
because I am not a Leo, but a Cancer according to modern dating. ^_^
That left me more satisfied. Many people I know had a shock. I love this new sign,and yes Science accurately confirms it ‘Astronomically’ from their proper perspective.
I hope more can be done to create charts and conjunctions, most peoples’ natal charts are most likely inaccurate for today. Hopefully somebody can take the time to correct this.Thanks.
The picture at the very top. that image actually does not represent Ophiuchus. that image is a image of commerce. the proper image of medicine is a single rod with a single serpent wrapping its self around it. that is the proper symbol of medicine and the symbol that represents Ophiuchus.
I was born July 23, 1960 and always thought about the “cusp” not really knowing what that meant. When reading my horoscopes, i would find that Cancer most always applied to what my day or whatever was going on. Being born on that date always led me to believe I was a Leo and this horoscope thing was silly since it never made sense. I was born before midnight so couldn’t possibly be a Cancer. Ironically, my brother and I were born 9 years apart, him being born just after midnight July 24th 1951. In discovering this “13th Sign” theory, I think maybe there is something to this zodiac after all. I won’t read Leo horoscopes anymore.
I have to say that I really appreciate Joe’s knowledge, wisdom & clairvoyance.
I found out i fit into this bracket a year and a bit ago, and it has openned my eye’s then to a possiblity. I am more invigorated now taking time out to actually look up the information myself as when I found out it was brought to my attention from a true friend of mine of which there has been few in my life.
I AM IN THE WOW STAGE ALSO… i will say that through my life it has not been rosey.. which explains the Jealousy.. I have always had an interest in the softer things in life and have been on a quest with in myself to gather knowledge. Where I sit now I am in a stage of self healing and trying to fine tune myself. I know realize all the downs of my life had led me to be who I am today and more importantly who i WILL be. I have very unique personal theries and I was please to see that there was an Egyption reference as my Intuition or clairvoyance is telling me it “feels” right. I read information about reiki a while back regarding tbe origination of that ability and the description of what the founder discussed sounded right to me, and I have been blessed with being given Fine Tunings by a past lover and now best friend. I have also had experiences where people are drawn to me and also animals. Bizaare things have happend to me also from just remaining open and operating from the distinction “every thing is the truth” its freeing in a way, or at least it put a stop to the Little Voice in my head I call my brain, or survival calculator.
In what I have read above the thing I would like to add - I think the fact that there is a definate truth in both there being a specific place for the 13th star sign and it running along all sides of the zodiac signs. We all feel things we can’t explain at one time or the other… but for me the common denominator is LOVE - when you let go of all the meanings u have of it and what manifests in your body when attached thoughts of the past come to the forfront of your mind, I at least became present to the feeling or sensation I was experience instead of all the other “garbage” that was in my head.
Beautiful
As for this 2012 thing I find this very interesting and I too put myself in the distinct catagory of student - but given recent events, readings and events in my life I am aware that all the wisdom of the universe is in me to access… I also believe that we all possess our special little gift. Its a matter of having the inner passion and what ever words or actions you would use to invoke the necessary state with in.
Thanks very much guys - chris is reaching out for the first time
Love and light.
First I heard about this today and I’m 52 years old! But that explains a lot!!!
Birthdate: December 13, 1955 at 12:13 a.m.
I’m so confused. I am 08/28/86 baby and have never felt like a virgo 100%; more like 60%. then someone mentioned that maybe i was a cusp. So i read up on leo, and the parts of me that never fit in virgo (i love being on stage, being in the lime-light, i’m bad with money, i have a quick and firey passion/temper) fit with leo. only every place i look at says my bday should be 100% virgo.
i’m eastern zodiac year of the Fire Tiger, and that fits me almost perfectly.
Now this page says since i’m pre-1990 born, I’m a leo through and through.
lol what’s the deal?!?! it makes it so hard to find out who i’m astrologically compatible with. right now i’m into a Taurean. the virgo side should be match in heaven, the leo not so much.
i am a scorpio nd will always b a scorpio…not a libra…plus if what u seyz iz true? Why do i have the characteristics of a scorpio???
Well, my, my…I’ve come to love the Capricorn in meh…but according to this..my mums would be this ‘Ophiuchus’ (Dec. 5) and I’d take the role as the ‘Sagittarius’ (Jan 13) …now…how exactly does that work if i suit my Capricorn 100% =/. Sadly I’m so Capricorn its scary..I mean, I know not to change cause of something like this…but…what does it mean if I am a Sagittarius… My apologies on being a bit lost, i don’t do much with looking up this kind of info..
To Jess:
How did you get a picture to show in the box? I tried putting a picture there, but it didn’t work.
To Rave: Believe me you are not the only one. This whole Ophiuchus confussing me too. To me it doesn’t make sense.
hey whoa I think 7-music has every right to be an angry scorpio cause libra people have some bad characteristics an they hate on scorpio. am know them. I even have evedence one libra in my class said and I quote “scorpio people think there so hot.” thats insulting and you don’t understand how it is to be a scorpio. so you do know how it feels to just have six days. what you wrote there made you a inconsiderate jerk. TRY ME!!!
To Nick: I have to so disagree with you. Saying all Scorpios act the same is so wrong. I am Aquarius and I seem to clash with the sign Gemini, but I know not all Geminis act the same. Not all the Geminis on this site annoy me. Becky is a Gemini, I find her very cool, she is very open-minded, and I feel she has bit of Aquarius in her, maybe she got those traits from her husband. Because she seems to love her husband buches
I know I don’t act like all the Aquarius here, I am also very different from them. I know I some times feel I have bit of Aries in me. (And I can’t wait for the results of my consultion from Becky.)
But no one of one star sign is going to act the same. Because there are other factors in invole such as . . . How one was rasie, their make up, personality and accoring to Becky the other planets invole in your birth chart the time you were born.
To whoa: Hiya Whoa!
Hope your morning is a good one. Hey, by chance are you an Aquarius???? If so when your birthday?
To: LittleImpaler I didnt say all scorpios are the same I said he has every right to be a angry scorpio.I really don’t know where you are coming from.you must not understand.So be slow to speak, well in this case be slow to comment on what I write.
I had a hard time accepting this at first. But after a week of assessing it. I find that I actually am a Pisces! At first I didn’t want to accept it. I liked being an Aries because that is what I knew. But I re-evaluated myself and found that I really am a Pisces. And also my friends who are Pisces are actually Aquariuses. I understand most people do not want to associate themselves with another sign, afterall we build our sign up to be the best in the zodiac.
As far as harry1ophi1 giving dates for before and after 1990, I don’t agree with your dates. The zodiac moves ONE DAY every 70 years. Whereas you have the calendar jumping ahead like 38 days (i.e., Aries), from 1989 to 1990, which would be inaccurate. So we need to find out when the next alignment change is, go back 70 years, and that will dictate who the dates would apply to.
I’m curious now as how this additional zodiac effects our Moon and Rising Sign. As far as I know they do not include Ophiuchus, and would need to in order to give an accurate reading.
10th. Not 13th. Aquarius is the 13th. Do your research. I just found out today that I am not really a sagittarius! Yay Too bad I have a sag tat lol
I am born on the cusp of Aries & Taurus and because of Ophiuchus I am given the power to adapt the positive qualities of both taurus and aries. With this new power of Ophiuchus I and everyone else can become as SuperHumans if they are able to adapt to new heights. However, I do feel for those who cannot adapt… those are people who are not of the cusp. Those people are true to their sign. like Taurtarians Ararians,Gemgeminians, Cancancerians…, unlike Picarians,Taurarians,Gemtaurians,Cangeminians…. If you have any problems with figuring this out get Linda Goodman’s Sunsigns… a book you can get at the library, Check it out. You will find valueable information in that book!!!!!!
By the way you should get Linda Goodman’s Starsigns as well.
Hi Jess,
yes i do very much agree with you on your point and if your moon sign is between 2 and 28 degrees sagg it is in the Serpentarius/Ophichus constellation.
This 13th sign is also associated with ISIS the Egyptian goddess who protected the pharaoh. Ptlomey one of the Greek astronomers removed Ophiuchus because of its powerful association with the Egyptian female goddess, in an attempt to diminish the cult of Isis, perhaps for very sexist reasons! 13 is also quite a feminine and mystical number, remember there are actually 13 ‘lunar’ months in the year not twelve!
Blessings, Caryn
I am very surprised to read this alleged recent turn of events in astrology, it upturns the whole system and leaves everyone completely apart from where we had understood ourselves to be prior.
Personally it doesn’t seem right to me, I am not a professional astronomer or astrologer, but haven’t other ancient civilizations come to the conclusions of the dates for the tropical, 12-sign based zodiac?
So how many instances of civilizations have concluded the 12-sign zodiac versus the number of ones who take the 13-sign zodiac to be truth? I don’t know the answer to that but I would like to know.
I would also like to know, how many people have come along so far with any kind of major evidence that the 13-sign configuration is the right one?
Only one person?
I’m not trying to be closed minded or cynical, but the original 12-sign set up makes a lot more sense to me.
4 elements distributed among 3 signs each which is perfectly EQUAL and then almost every sign is given about 30 days each which is EQUAL, why shouldn’t they be equal? It would make more sense that all signs are equal and that there would be an even distribution among the population, although yes that is only a presumption
One major indicator, I think, is your own life and the way you express yourself. I am talking about the most BASIC form of energy that you radiate, yes of course taking your Moon and Rising signs into consideration
How about for those of you who are supposed to have a SINGLE element predominant in your major 3 configurations (Sun/Moon/Rising)?
If you have ALL fire signs for your Sun, Moon, and Rising according to the traditional 12-sign astrology, then the energy that you express should be CLEARLY a representation of that element
It’s not hard to discern this, I believe. I think that every element is extremely distinct in its behavior and representation.
Fire - ACTION
Air - INTELLECT
Water - EMOTIONS
Earth - PRACTICALITY
You can see it, you can feel it, it is almost tangible if you look for the element as they are being expressed by you.
Rather than try to figure out if you “act like a Leo” or “are a lot like a Cancer” or whatever it is
instead just try to focus on your energy and its direct relation to the element that it is supposed to be.
I am a Pisces by both systems, but the people I know
are all very much like the original 12-sign zoadiac description.
I don’t think that this “new” system describes them very well at all.
And also, yes I agree there are 13 moon cycles and that is important, but for the sake of being mathematically and pragmatically succinct, it would seem to me that adding a 13-th sign into the wheel is terribly inconvenient and throws off the whole harmony and simple balance of the regular distribution.
Again, I am not a professional astrologer or astronomer by any means
but I pay a great deal of attention to every person who is supposed to be a representation of water/fire/earth/air and cardinal/fixed/mutable and it always seems consistent with the original 12-sign system. But i am always open to hearing anyones opinion about anything relating to this.
“Ptlomey one of the Greek astronomers removed Ophiuchus because of its powerful association with the Egyptian female goddess, in an attempt to diminish the cult of Isis, perhaps for very sexist reasons! 13 is also quite a feminine and mystical number, remember there are actually 13 ‘lunar’ months in the year not twelve!
Blessings, Caryn”
There are 13 lunar months in a year of about around ~385 days, not 365 and this thing is clearly structured within a 365 day calendar. It also has intervals that can’t fit into any lunar calendar because they are fixed along those 365 days and this would never coincide with any of the full or new moon dates.
Personally it doesn’t make sense to me that he would try to abolish that sign based on sexism because it’s not the only feminine sign in the zodiac. All of the water signs, as well as Virgo and very feminine and he could have removed one of those in order to make it “less feminine” and even if 13 is a particularely feminine number, I don’t see how it could be so detrimental to keep it at “13″ no matter how many people understood that it was a number feminine in nature.
I’m not sexist by any means, it just make sense that this system is a balance of numbers and affiliations, a 13th sign throws everything off balance. What element is Ophiuchus supposed to be anyways?
I think Astrology is feminine either way, the water signs as well as Virgo (well, all the water and earth signs really) are expressions of the feminine, I personally don’t believe that could have been his motive.
I think that you prefer the balance and structure which is reflected with the 12 zodiac sun signs. Ophiuchus does however exist and is widely recognised so by astronomers, we can’tjust ignore it, it is on the ecliptic belt with the moon and sun etc; passing through it.
I am probably stating the obvious here butthe Zodiac signs are not stars themselves but constellations with many stars within. So just as pisces is a constellation on the ecliptic belt with sun, moon etc passing through it so too is Ophiuchus with sun & moon passing through it also. I am not suggesting dismantling the structure of 12. I am just saying that we can work within it, there are other constellations on the ecliptic belt Ophiuchus being one of them (there are others on the ecliptic belt too). There is scope to refine and fine tune things to get more accurate readings. Therefore if someone says their their moon sign is more Ophiuchus than Saggitarius they are merely fine-tuning things for a more accurate in depth chart. Blessings, Caryn
i was born nov.29th 1970 and ive always my whole life known when someone close to me is going to die.My closest friends know and understand this, it is a feeling of doom and the closer you are to me the more im sick and the more i feel like its me and im going to die.somtimes i get what i call sympathy pains i think there mine but truley there yours.my father told me he had the same gift,i dont think its a gift.i have 3 kids and 2 of my kids have this so called gift that realy freeked them out!they two had that feeling of doom and they to thought they would die.my kids are in ther twenties and i never mentioned or brought any of this up.its all about the sighns if you pay attention you will know its taken me years to figure it out,but if you just watch you will know.always pay close attention and you will see.
this is sooo wrong, does this mean im not an aquarian???, cant belive it!!!!, and now im a capricorn!!!, im nothing like a capricorn. I was born on 7th of february.I’m not sexist by any means, it just make sense that this system is a balance of numbers and affiliations, a 13th sign throws everything off balance. What element is Ophiuchus supposed to be anyways?
Is it earth??
The people that are born under the one sign that would confuse me the most if this new system were to be valid would undoubtedly be: Aquarius.
Just as Reo is saying, everyone who now thinks they are an Aquarius would instead be a Capricorn, and those are very, very different signs. Everyone I know who is born under Aquarius far more resembles an Aquarius than a Capricorn. It’s not limited to just this sign, and as Reo is also saying:
What is the element of Ophiuchus anyways? My guess would also be earth, and if thats true (or any element for that matter)
then the system gives one extra element in contrast with the other three, and that is a major imbalance for the harmony of a system that is mathematically succinct.
I’m not about being closed-minded or avoiding evidence, it’s just going to take some serious hard data to convince me that this is the legitimate wheel of the zodiac. I am very interested in knowing more about this conviction for a new system.
I was born on december 17 1984, i know i’m ophiuchus,i know my brother is capricorn for sure but in the zodiac using 13 signs he is sagittarius,which is wrong.I know my brother and he’s a capricorn all the way.What i was thinking is that the normal zodiac that has 12 signs has the correct dates for the sun signs,i think that the in the zodiac using 13 signs has only the dates of ophiuchus sun sign fully correct,so what i was thinking that the normal 12 sign zodiac sun sign dates should be kept,just adding the dates for ophiuchus sun sign from the 13 sign zodiac,giving the normal zodiac the sun sign ophiuchus,and giving the normal zodiac the 13th sun sign and still be able to use the normal dates for the other sun signs which i think are correct in the normal 12 sign zodiac.I think that would be a proper zodiac to go by.Also,i think that ophiuchus should just be used as a sun sign,cause i’m not to sure how other planets having ophiuchus sign in them would be detailed in a chart.
i been reading about the signs for alongt time now…and i was born december 17th 1986. I was always some what confused with being a sagittarius because everything i read hardlyu ever matched up with my personality….so i started believing more in my chinese zodiac sign…which makes more sense….my best friend is a scorpio and according to this she is a libra…..she doesnt care about any of this and doesnt read about….but i belive she quite a scorpio woman but before you get all pressed about being a “scorpio” like mrs.ima fucking scorpio to tha fullest just know that you are most likely a heartless bitch lol…u prolly fucked alot of guys and broke thier heart and used people and manipulated and you arent very real and theres where all your bad karma comes into play sooooo dont think your stupid little scorpian sign is somethin too be soo proud of but as for the good scorpio’s that i do know…this only applys to bad scorpio’s. but if anyone does know anything about ophuichus’s traits then please write it on here…i like saggg but i just dont fit its criteria.
I just learned about Ophiuchus and find this all very interesting; largely because I am not emotionally invested in “being” a Sagittarian. Several astrologers over the years have told me that I am not a “typical” sag (born Nov27,1957) but could never really define why.
After reading on several websites about the “Real” zodiac, where the signs are based on the true size of the constellations rather than an arbitrary 1/12th of the year, I learn that I am supposed to be a Scorpio.
Ophiuchus caught my imagination because, during a period in my life while my personal quest was guided by the Native American cosmology, and a childhood spent on the family farm and consequent fascination with rattlesnakes, I had a rattler tatooed around my bicep. If Oph has any influence on my life, it’s interesting that I seem to have such an affinity for serpents. I AM the serpent-bearer.
According to the old zodiac I’m an Aries/Scorpio and that fits me perfectly. The 13th sign just throws everything out of balance. Maybe it should just effect all signs depending on how close they are to it, but still not actually qualify as a sign itself. You know, like a higher influence. Now with that said I really can’t help but brag a little. Aries are hands down the best :). Strong, Confident, Number 1 in everything we do. We’re simply amazing, like pure perfection. I mean really. who wouldn’t want to be an Aries? Haha, I love that I’m an aries and I love my Scorpio influence too. They’re both amazing signs. Though in my opinion I think that the only other sign that could even come close to the greatness of Aries is Cancer. They’re just such kind, caring, strong people. Hats off to Cancers.
I’m a “true” Leo, 8-19-1984, but I tend to be earthier than fire, I assume because my moon is in Taurus.
My Husband is Bipolar type 2 & was born on 12-15-1980. I wonder if it has anything to do with being a sign that isn’t commonly known here … I mean he’s has Scorpio & Sagittarian tendencies, but has never really fit either. He fits Ophiuchus 100% even the being part of a big family & leaving at an early age.
I’m not blaming I sign for a chemical imbalance, I just wonder how common it is for people with Ophiuchus to have that chemical imbalance.
Case & point, my grand mother’s birthday was December 13th & she was also Bipolar.
hmm… this is all too confusing. I kinda dont know what to believe anymore.
first off, I’m a gemini with a gemini rising and my gf is a pisces with a sagitarrius rising. Now I dont know what to believe. Whether im a gemini and shes an pisces, im a taurus and shes a aquarius, or that I’m an aries and shes a sagittarius. WTF! I can kinda imagine myself being a taurus and I can kinda imagine my gf being an aquarius, but she acts more of a pisces and I think I act like a gemini. I know its confusing.
Anyways, I’ve heard about the Tropic Zodiac and how thats messed up and about the Solar Zodiac and how that includes ophiuchus and how theres only 6 days for scorpio…
I don’t know what to believe
lol 13 is a prime number anyways
Born 12/11/1979
Hi everyone, I have been reading up on Ophiuchus and I have to say that I am quite intrigued. I dont know alot about any of this.I mean I know I am lined up as a Sagittarius. That’s about it. I know whenever I read my horoscopes they are usually pretty fun, there usually a little wrong but hey its a best guess. Anyways what I was wondering is, if there is a 12 sign zodiac and there is also 13 signs why hasn’t anyone made up a 13 sign zodiac chart?(If they havent already)Or why hasn’t someone formed characteristics about one who is Ophiuchus? You know like they have now for the 12 other traditional signs.
If we went by the 13 signs I would be Ophiuchus going by 12 I am Sagittarius.
I am not biased to either two. (But I must say my favorites numbers are 13 and 5 :)!)
Mona, Ophiuchus is an Ancient Greek constellation. The Serpent Bearer is one of the original Ptolemy constellations, appearing in Al Magest Star Catalogue [c 130 - 170 AD]. He also appears on the Farnese Globe, a Roman copy of a circa 2nd century BC depiction of Atlas holding the Celestial Sphere above his head. The sun does indeed pass through this sign and all the planets do as well, making it a legitimate 10th sign (I’m not sure why everyone calls it the 13th, that would be Aquarius). There’s not a 12 and 13 sign chart, there’s the original 13 sign chart and then one with the 10th sign (Ophiuchus) taken out. With the rise of Christianity with Constantine and the merging of traditions, things were changed around, including the calendar days and the astrological signs. 12 was easier to use to merge Astrology and Christianity (12 signs around 1 sun, 12 disciples around 1 son). Also the serpent went from being a healing totem or medicine sign to an evil deceitful devil because of the Bible depiction, so nobody could be born under a serpent sign, they’d be burned at the stake in those days. It was easier to just change the degrees to an equal 12 sign zodiac with the changes in history, even though the Ophiuchus is most definitely a sun sign in between Scorpio and Sagittarius, I hope that helped some?
Also, Adam R, it’s not some mystical magical life determining factor. The human is far more complex and hardly ruled by the position of the stars. There will be plenty of people who are nothing like the typical description of their sun signs, because for one, there’s more than just sun signs. Everyone has a moon sign, and different planets being in different houses change attributes a lot. Year of birth and changes in the solar system alter things, space is not consistent, our modern zodiacal positions have changed from ancient zodiacal positions, since the earth and other planets and stars are moving ever slightly in other directions. We know that galaxies in space are constantly moving further apart and expanding, this changes the zodiac by a few degrees every so many hundred years. Try to not be so confused, there’s more to your life than the stars you were born under, friend.
You know, I always thought i was infact a Sagittarius alot of the traits fitted with me, and then i found out i was the 13th sign, ophiuchus and i was like okayy, wondering what traits this sign was. and now i found out im a Libra?! i was born in 1993 you see. and i just want t obe clear on what star sign i am, because in magazines it says my sign is Sagittarius and now i feel like giving up on my belief of horoscopes and blah. i Love singing and im full of wisdom and philosiphy and im a bit of a hippie as i love nature and that, i love purple and blue and art and drawing and i fit most traits of a sag but now im a Libra?! im very confused please help, what am i?
Sophie.
I would like to note that my rising sign being Ophiuchus I personlly have to say the following was true;#1. people are often jealous of me.. #2. Im truely a seeker of knowlege and wisdom.. #3. Ive been known to be rather flamboyant in my dress.. #4.I guess even though I get myself in trouble alot, the authorities usually go pretty easy on me if not hit on me.. #5.I love architecture and would love to grow a house.. More like a castle.. and last but not least I did come from a rather large family.. Im damn near related to everyone.. And I did leave home at a rather early age.. I kinda had no choice really.. And now Im rather estranged from my family and have become the outcast.. Their is alot of jealousy within my own family… The only part that wasnt so true was the bright colors thing.. Im not really into bright colors at all.. Unless its a beautiful sunset but not to wear.. I typically wear black cause for some reason I can see color in black.. I call it the dark rainbow..
I was born in 8th january 1985. I used to hink that I am a capricorn, even though the discribtion sounded ok for me i never felt that i really fit inot a capricorn discribtion. I never save money, or be at home or have an issue with crowd. Now I came to know that I am a sagg and this on suits me perfectly fine
thank you
To everybody before you make your opinoin… know your numberology core numbers and your chinese sign.. aleast those two things in a must.. observe other sag people from Nov22 - Dec21 Then state what your saying!!
I am DEC 14… After knowing my numerology numbers and Chinese sign and now this… I’m not buying this!! Saggitarius is the 9th sign!Numerolgy#9 ALSO saggitarius representing the 9th sign… The meaning of 9 will be simular to ophiuchus based on what they describe! I do not agree with the dates and what most of it says.. I’m know my self and all my major signs… and I can see why this is not accepted in astrology!! Especially with a ruling a number 9 as Saggitarius … there is humain in that number.. I just don’t agree.. I’m not being ignorant… I think most of this ophiuchus stuff is just phycological!! I havent magically healed anybody before.. Now how about that!! (as a joke) Ohh ohh, I’m not saggitarius anymore.. I don’t feel like adventure or adapting anymore & now I’m not a fire sign, now I feel like a ophiuchus and need to heal people because Im told now I’m a Ophiuchus!!!!! LOL LOL I believe there is some very minor influence with Saggitarius people who I came across that have an interest in the medical field between Nov 30 to Dec 17, who has some minor influence of ophiuchus as a constlation star (minor strengh level)!! But to tell me I’m not a Sag and now this whole ophiuchus crap along with other people’s western signs not being signs of who the people are… GIVE ME A BREAK!! I came across enouth people between Nov 30 to Dec 17 like me and they represent a Saggitarius(They have enouth of of in them- still with the goofy smile)!! Half the stuff they describe about ophiuchus is the same as Saggitarius and how come ophiuchus doesn’t have an opposite!! Explain that!! What makes some saggitarius people different from others is their Numereogy Day# and Life Path# sign… Chinese Sign and Element and ETC…. and so on!! This is my opinoin from 6 years of deep reasearch and observation!!
Why this 13 sign system is not being implemented in whole. In India, 12 sign system is continuing whereas it stood changed to 13. Need some clarification.
I was born in 07.08.97. The original Zodiac says I’m a Leo but I don’t act like one. I’m moody, sensitive, imaginitive, indecisive, like a Cancer.
I checked out the 13th sign thing and found out I’m actually a Cancer.
Then I remembered I was born after 1990, and re-checked. It says I’m a Gemini. Geminis are outgoing, life of the party. So NOT me.
The Vedic system says I’m a Cancer.
Hello.
I read my first book about a 13th sign back in the early 1970’s. This caused a difference in the dates for the Sun signs. With or without the addition of Ophiuchus, there is a difference between the Tropical (based on seasons) and Sidereal (based on stars) dates.
The Spring Equinox now placed around 20 March, shifts backwards through the Zodiac a fraction of a degree every year due to the way the Earth rotates - approximately 1 degree every 72 yrs. Most tables that list the daily positions of planets, include the Synetic Vernal Point (SVP) - the current sidereal location of the Equinox, from which one can convert from one to the other. So I am not sure where the above commentator got the information about the dates before and after 1990. Even the conventional dates vary by 1 or 2 days, and must be checked for that year.
So with all this emphasis on accuracy, why not 13 signs? How is one to know what system is “Right” ? And if astronomers say the Sun stays in Scorpio only 7 days, what is one to believe?
We could think about it this way: All ancient cultures compiled detailed astronomical and environmental observations of all kinds. Divisions of the earth, sky, and time into 12, 8, or 360 degree segments, related to numerology, feng shui, and many other methods of creating harmonious relationships between one’s self and the world.
To this day, the Chinese, Indians and Arabs, use astrological systems that give equal importance
or more, to a person’s Moon Sign in 27 or 28 “stations”. Multiple planets in one sign, Lunar Nodes, Arabic Parts, asteroids and even Black Holes are used by some astrologers to collect information beyond one’s sun sign.
All these systems are tools to help us understand our world and our place in time. Knowledge of “the Wheel of the Year” was essential for crops, animal migrations, floods and weather patterns. Originally, “the Future” was more about understanding repeating cycles, than about “predicting” isolated events.
Uneven numbers have been with us from the beginning, and accounted for nearly as long - days
and months are not exactly 24 hrs or 30 days, but sun rises and lunar phases absolutely repeat. Astronomical constellations are of irregular lengths, but the “wavelength” or “spirit” of Aries is as
distinct from Taurus as the color red is from green. These are functional structures that help us manage patterns and cycles of events and behavior.
So, relax - No one can take your identity from you! Choose whatever systems answer your questions and describe you best. Each has plenty of practitioners to support you. And be kind to others who are open-minded enough to include any Astrology in their lives.
Best Wishes to you all.
I’m Ophiucus, and reading through the descriptions, it is very me.
so…..what’s my sign? i wuz born on january 24 1995….i’m confused :-/
this is so confusing. i’m a pisces, luckily i’m still a pisces. for for others, this can be very confusing…
I THINK I MAY HAVE CRACKED THE THEORY THANKS TO ALL OF YOU, BECKY, AND MY OWN KNOWLEDGE!!!!!
FIRST OFF HARRY1OPHI1- This chart is wrong to me-
THE FOLLOWING SIDEREAL ZODIAC IS FOR PEOPLE BORN BEFORE 1990 (is incorrect!)
ARIES = APRIL 19 - MAY 13
TAURUS = MAY 14 - JUNE 19
GEMINI = JUNE 20 - JULY 20
CANCER = JULY 21 - AUG 9
LEO = AUGUST 10 - SEPTEMBER 15
VIRGO = SEPTEMBER 16 - OCTOBER 30
LIBRA = OCTOBER 31 - NOVEMBER 22
SCORPIO = NOVEMBER 23 - NOVEMBER 29
OPHIUCHUS = NOVEMBER 30 - DECEMBER 17
SAGITTARIUS = DECEMBER 18 - JANUARY 18
CAPRICORN = JANUARY 19 - FEBRUARY 15
AQUARIUS = FEBRUARY 16 - MARCH 11
PISCES = MARCH 12 - APRIL 18
The following Sidereal Zodiac below is for children born beginning 1990: (is incorrect!)
AQUARIUS March 26 - April 18
PISCES April 19 - May 26
ARIES May 27 - June 20
TAURUS June 21 - July27
GEMINI July 28 - August 27
CANCER August 28 - September 17
LEO September 18 - October 24
VIRGO October 25 - December 9
LIBRA December 10 - January 1
SCORPIO January 2 - January 8
OPHIUCHUS January 9 - Janury 26
SAGITTARIUS January 27 - February 27
CAPRICORN February 28 - March 25
Why- because I have analyzed my humungous social group which is born before 1990 and many people born after and have watched their influences with my own eyes. Also most of you are wrong because you are not taking into account your Rising Sign(ascending sign) and your Moon Sign (true emotions) and your Chinese Year( your disposition) and your years secret sign ( your other ascending sign!) Then all the planets which I have done for all of my friends and many friends on my myspace because I am obsessed which is about 200 people, including new ones almost every month, and I have taken into account all of these things! and applied them to people before 1990 and after and to me and I have proved the charts wrong and know it to be true!Before my eyes, applied all these things you all may have forgotten these and I tested them and have seen them for myself on over 200 people! I can almost guarantee that if all of you who think the chart is true, that if we figure out these other things we may prove that what you thought was true already exists in you and is a big influence!
On another note, ***Ophiuchus*** -besides most of you not taking into consideration the rising sign, moon sign, year, etc… (which explains why you probably think the chart is true), you also have to take into notice that besides the charts
A. Most people who sense the ophicus might not have analaysed the rising sign, year, moon, etc… and possibly have incredibly amounts of pisces, cancer, or SCORPIO which are very deep and intuitive signs which posess great intuition and emotion. WHich would definitely be the mother nature healing signs.
B. THe OPHIUCHUS = NOVEMBER 30 - DECEMBER 17 so it falls away from the cusp of scorpio which is 21st to about 25th, so it is safe to say that ophicus runs on saggitarius only. So in theory everyone is still Saggittarius but MAY POSSESS THE OPHIUCUS!!!!! NOTICE how i have not ruled it out, soo many of you seem to sense it, maybe it’s biased opinion and you really want to be it, or maybe you have not checked your rising sign,moon, year, etc… or maybe you truly sense it and it is really apparant and evident in this dated time…..!
Also there are such things as Leo 1, Leo 2, Leo 3 Capricorn 1, Capricorn 2, Capricorn 3, etc… for all the signs, this may be a very special and unique saggitarius cointaing cancer or somethign or may make this saggitarius a bit different?!?! So we cannot rule it out unless we do all the influences on the people above and figure out what they possess inside already and see if that is what they are sensing and prove it wrong! We can really do it! Will Becky have the energy for that I don’t know?!?!?!
And besides what I just wrote above, if The sun is going through Ophiucus separately from Sagg and Scorpio then that is a whole unique sun sign and in my analyzing of all people born at that time they were all SAGGITTARIUS before my eyes and that is WITH rising sign, moon, year, etc…. EVEN MY DOG (dec. 2nd) acts SAGG. all the way, my black lab is a saggitarius, year of Pig(scorpio in western) Virgo Moon, and I don’t quite know his rising sign, but the sagg in him always wanteing to go explore somewhere new, and be overly enthusiastic even though he is now 13 years old is quite amazing to me so I DISSAGREE, OPHIUCUS IS NOT EVIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!